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Post by smitten on Dec 10, 2008 17:21:48 GMT 1
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Post by Sam Bellis on Dec 10, 2008 18:50:07 GMT 1
Interesting, I shall have to have a read.
Hyacine Pentothol was used on Graeme Bauer in season 6. However that one's fictional.
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Post by smitten on Dec 10, 2008 23:55:15 GMT 1
That's right. Hyoscine pentothal is to be found on the 24 ficticious drugs trolley, right next to the beroglide. It induces pain, as Christopher Henderson and Graem Bauer found out.
In real life, hyoscine (aka scopolamine) was used in the US in obstetrics so that women couldn't remember the atrocities committed on them in labour, and as a 'truth serum' in WWII. Sodium pentothal disinhibits behaviour and makes it difficult to lie - in short it doesn't do much more than a good interrogator will do. Oh, and it makes evidence given inadmissable in court. Which makes the whole thing a bit pointless, as I'm sure they want to nail the guy, right?
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Post by Sam Bellis on Dec 11, 2008 0:41:50 GMT 1
Hmm... I'm not entirely sure where I stand on the whole torture thang
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Post by eviljbf on Dec 11, 2008 4:15:04 GMT 1
Shin Bet technique
do it.
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Post by eviljbf on Dec 11, 2008 4:20:14 GMT 1
I've said it before, and some people are not going to agree with me here.
how do you fight an enemy who, not only isn't afraid of death, actually wants to die?
Torture is notoriously unreliable, as Nice Guy Eddie put it, "you beat this prick long enough, he'll tell you he started the chicago fire, but that doesn't necessarily f*cking make it so."
While I morally disagree with torture, I understand it's use. I don't condone it personally though.
Ok, sodium pentathol is not a torture device. It is a drug that induces a state in which a person becomes more susceptible to lower their guard (at the same time, it also makes the person more susceptible to suggestion)
anyway.... continue the discussion
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Post by smitten on Dec 11, 2008 12:31:40 GMT 1
(at the same time, it also makes the person more susceptible to suggestion) That would be my worry. That anything you get would be unreliable, plus legal problems if you go for a conviction. Not to mention being charged with assault, because the suspect would be aware he had been injected without consent - it's not the sort of thing you can do without them knowing. Or could it be slipped into his tea? On the subject of torture, does anyone else get a real kick (mild spoiler here) out of hearing Jack say the words, "Under the definition set forth by the Geneva Convention..." ? It's not that I want him to repent of his sins or anything. It's just that, while it's all calm and there is no emergency, I want to hear him talk about it, to actually acknowledge that it's problematic. I want to hear him dealing with it. I want to know that he has a problem with it too, even if he would, on reflection, do the same thing again.
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Post by Sam Bellis on Dec 11, 2008 14:09:01 GMT 1
Dammit. Does he say that in Season 7?
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Post by smitten on Dec 11, 2008 16:58:18 GMT 1
In the sneak peek at 0800-0816. You'll see it on Christmas morning, provided you keep off the naughty list from now on. :lol:
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Post by Sam Bellis on Dec 11, 2008 17:09:41 GMT 1
Haha! Looking forward to that.
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